Curse

NinjaGW · Oct 26, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Weaken Knees

Racthoh · Oct 26, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

In theory its a great skill to remove nasty enchantments like Spellbreaker, Spell shield, Obsidian Flesh, etc. But when it comes to a Monk enchantment, please tell me that 6 people attacking that 1 person who loses (mending, healing breeze, live vicariously, virgorous spirit, protective spirit, and Healing Seed) gets attacked, can we say good night Necro?

Explain a situation where one person will have those six enchantments in serious levels of pvp?

Arkantos · Oct 26, 2006, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Explain a situation where one person will have those six enchantments in serious levels of pvp?

Keep in mind only 2 or 3 of those enchantments are used in serious levels of PvP.

linh · Oct 26, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

I'll lay claim to Order Of Apostasy.

In theory its a great skill to remove nasty enchantments like Spellbreaker, Spell shield, Obsidian Flesh, etc. But when it comes to a Monk enchantment, please tell me that 6 people attacking that 1 person who loses (mending, healing breeze, live vicariously, virgorous spirit, protective spirit, and Healing Seed) gets attacked, can we say good night Necro?

17% x 6 monk enchantments (6 players attack at once) = 102% of max health.

Necromancer suffers from Spike damage by teammates... film at 11.

Its a great spell I suppose most circumstances (afterall it lasts a hole 5 seconds) and it only damages if Monk enchantments are removed, but until NF comes along (where Dervish/Paragons can do good enchants - whichever one it is), Monks have the majority of the enchantments.

I just can't stand an enchantment lasting 5 seconds (like Orders).

The monk with those Enchantments as you said exists only in RA, and there is no Order Of Apostasy Necro and 6 Warriors in RA

Poison Ivy · Oct 26, 2006, 03:41 AM // 03:41

Spoil Victor: increased damage to 25..100.

Anet FTW.

Riotgear · Oct 28, 2006, 09:47 AM // 09:47

Shatterstone's damage got just about doubled. Which makes it no longer the worst elite in the game.

Keystone Signet, despite its buff, has now taken the throne.
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maraxusofk · Oct 28, 2006, 11:42 PM // 23:42

man with shatterstone’s buff, im using it in rainbow spikes and it actually pwns, as the 100 dmg initially is a lot and the 100 dmg that occurs 3 seconds later usually finishes off enemies that are only infused once and left alone (yes that usu happens in noob groups but it happens nonetheless)

Addone_Abaddon · Oct 29, 2006, 12:30 AM // 00:30

as of the update, spiteful spirit

eloc_jcg · Oct 29, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Alright, this one is a bit more difficult that the other one.

Off the top of my head, the worst Elite is basically any Ranger Spirit Elite. But more specifically, Equinox, because it rarely helps you. Sure, you can combo it with Arcane Languor, but that's 2 Elites. And it doesn't do much.

Can't have more than 1 Elite at a time.

Pick Me · Oct 30, 2006, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Addone_Abaddon

as of the update, spiteful spirit

Are you kidding me? SS has not been nerfed to the extreme as people think. No scattering Merganites (or whatever they are called). I used it, Cry of Frustration, Backfire, and Parasitic Bond, with 1 use of shatter enchantment. Dead as can be. No scattering from them at all.

Former Ruling · Nov 02, 2006, 07:23 AM // 07:23

Now:

Scavanger's Focus - Prep

+13 (at 12) dmg while they are suffering from a condition

There are nonelites...in the same attribute line...that are better.

Sophitia Leafblade · Nov 02, 2006, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Quick shot has gotta be the worst Elite all it does is fire an arrow faster than normal, its totally not worth its elite status

Mr Slashalot · Nov 02, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

Quick shot has gotta be the worst Elite all it does is fire an arrow faster than normal, its totally not worth its elite status

you every trying it with buffing skills conjure, Kiddle etc
with them its a pretty good skill and is never the worst elite

Sophitia Leafblade · Nov 02, 2006, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by Mr Slashalot

you every trying it with buffing skills conjure, Kiddle etc
with them its a pretty good skill and is never the worst elite

Erm well it actually doesnt do any extra damage if it hits so a normal attack with kiddle etc. would do the same damage. Its a waste of a skill slot taht could be used for a better attack skill like say Penetrating shot, daul shot etc etc. lol in fact Penetrating shot would be a better elite than quick shot, If uve got Favouable winds or Read he wind or Quickening Zephyr etc. this skill is totally useless.

Sir Mad · Nov 02, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

Erm well it actually doesnt do any extra damage if it hits so a normal attack with kiddle etc. would do the same damage. Its a waste of a skill slot taht could be used for a better attack skill like say Penetrating shot, daul shot etc etc. lol in fact Penetrating shot would be a better elite than quick shot, If uve got Favouable winds or Read he wind or Quickening Zephyr etc. this skill is totally useless.

Another person talking about quickshot without trying it

Don't read the description, and try it. Penetrating/Sundering Shots can't be spammed as quickshot can be. Quickshot is both a bow attack and a IAS skill, which is why it's an elite. Quickshot can be compared to poison arrow. Poison Arrow is an elite because despite the fact that it poisons your ennemy, it's NOT a preparation and it can be used with RtW, kindle, etc. Quickshot is an elite because it's an IAS skill that is NOT a stance and can be used with another stance (frenzy, defensive stances...).

Again, try a simple build with RtW, frenzy, quickshot, and needling shot when the health is under 50%, add a vamp string and FW, and tell me again about this elite

Alleji · Nov 02, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pick Me

I'll lay claim to Order Of Apostasy.

In theory its a great skill to remove nasty enchantments like Spellbreaker, Spell shield, Obsidian Flesh, etc. But when it comes to a Monk enchantment, please tell me that 6 people attacking that 1 person who loses (mending, healing breeze, live vicariously, virgorous spirit, protective spirit, and Healing Seed) gets attacked, can we say good night Necro?

17% x 6 monk enchantments (6 players attack at once) = 102% of max health.

Necromancer suffers from Spike damage by teammates... film at 11.

Its a great spell I suppose most circumstances (afterall it lasts a hole 5 seconds) and it only damages if Monk enchantments are removed, but until NF comes along (where Dervish/Paragons can do good enchants - whichever one it is), Monks have the majority of the enchantments.

I just can't stand an enchantment lasting 5 seconds (like Orders).

O.o

o.O

...how could you ever call OoA worst elite in the game?

OoA is one of the best skills in the game. It's so overpowered in the right metagame that it let a completely brainless build (IWAY) dominate HA for several months after factions release, eventually changing the metagame. OoA alone turned IWAY from a sad excuse for a build into a killing machine that hacked through everything except for wards.

Sophitia Leafblade · Nov 02, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Sir Mad

Another person talking about quickshot without trying it

Don't read the description, and try it. Penetrating/Sundering Shots can't be spammed as quickshot can be. Quickshot is both a bow attack and a IAS skill, which is why it's an elite. Quickshot can be compared to poison arrow. Poison Arrow is an elite because despite the fact that it poisons your ennemy, it's NOT a preparation and it can be used with RtW, kindle, etc. Quickshot is an elite because it's an IAS skill that is NOT a stance and can be used with another stance (frenzy, defensive stances...).

Again, try a simple build with RtW, frenzy, quickshot, and needling shot when the health is under 50%, add a vamp string and FW, and tell me again about this elite

I don’t deny its highly spammable with its fast recharge and I agree the rest of that build is useful for high speed attacking but its still hardly worth an elite status. Your be better with Favourable winds which would increase the speed just the same and increase damage. QS doesn’t increase the rate of attack it only increases the speed of the arrow moving to the target which although may increase ur chance of hitting a moving foe, the rest of the time its of no use what so ever especially if u already have a arrow speed increase such as RtW or FW

dgb · Nov 02, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade

Erm well it actually doesnt do any extra damage if it hits so a normal attack with kiddle etc. would do the same damage. Its a waste of a skill slot taht could be used for a better attack skill like say Penetrating shot, daul shot etc etc. lol in fact Penetrating shot would be a better elite than quick shot, If uve got Favouable winds or Read he wind or Quickening Zephyr etc. this skill is totally useless.

The key to quick shot is it's interupt speed activation and fast recharge. With it you can come close to doubling your rate of fire.

What you do is start normal auto-attacking. After your first normal arrow is released, immediately hit quick shot. Because it's interupt speed it launches the arrow while the other is still in the air and because it moves twice as fast it catches the previous arrow to hit at the same time. Now wait for another auto-attack and hit quick shot immediately after. It takes a while to get into the rhythym of it, but once you do you should be getting massive returns out of it.

Barrage outclasses it for general play, but for pure single target DPS it's the best you have under ranger.

Arcador · Nov 02, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

After the update - many elites that were almost ulesess got boosted like double.
Spoil Victor now deals like 100 dmg.
PnH, even it is still crappy Egain for 1, can be applyed to 2-3 other classes with ease.
Heal as One now is the elite form of comfort.
And so on...

Keystone signet info btw was "recharge reduced to 1" which was obviouslly not corrent. 1 sec cast time is good start but....well... a little more reduction of the recharge (not to 1 lol) would be appreciated.

So I gess ether renewal, energy boon still goes for teh win

Dahl · Nov 02, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

I love how people flame some of the best skills in the game just because they fail at using them.

Remember that not all elites are used in pve or pvp alone. Some are better in some areas than others.